The Marlins screwed up a double switch yesterday, and Joe Girardi protested:
New York manager Joe Girardi protested the game because of a mixup with the Marlins lineup in the eighth inning, when a Florida player was removed in a double switch but took his position on the field anyway . . .
. . . In an odd mixup, Chris Coghlan started the top of the eighth in left field after Florida manager Fredi Gonzalez had removed him in a double switch. Alejandro De Aza batted for pitcher Renyel Pinto in the seventh and was supposed to take over in left, but never ran on the field.
Leo Nunez threw a pitch, then Girardi came out to protest. After about a 5-minute delay, Coghlan was removed, Jeremy Hermida went to left field and the Yankees played the rest of the game under protest. They were trailing 6-3 at the time.
I guess you sort of have to protest that, but even if Girardi is successful, and the game result nullified, I'm not sure New York comes out ahead. That's because the game would be resumed at some later date with the Marlins ahead by three in the eighth inning. The chances of the Yankees coming back from that aren't all that great, really, and when you add in the facts that the game would have to take place on an off day during the height of the summer or the height of the pennant race, would require superfluous travel, and would tax the bullpen, one wonders if it's really worth it. At the very least, if you're the Yankees you'd hope that the protest is successful, and the resumption of the game is scheduled for the day after the end of the season. If New York is out of the playoffs by one game, great, resume the Marlins game. If not, let it slide.
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Of course, it is the hated Yankees and some of us just don't care about them at all. The rules were broken and the infraction should be challenged. I agree that if the game result is over ruled and they have to play, it should be after the season finaly so both teams can decide in the end if it is really worth all the trouble.
As much as these folks say they don't care about the yankees, they can't help but post it and acknowledge the fact that they continue to be resentful of the most successful franchise in sports history.
Yankee fans do not make such pronouncements concerning other franchises and just cheer their own.
Maybe, you should have your owners invest into your frachise as much and build a grand history of which to be proud rather than trying to take down a dynasty.
you clearly don't live in NYC, Scott -- listen to WFAN and hear yankee fans mock the Mets and their fans endlessly. Go enjoy your empty stadium with its overpriced seats.
Agreed. The thing that astounds me about Yankees fans is their incredible sense of denial.
"Maybe, you should have your owners invest into your frachise as much and build a grand history of which to be proud rather than trying to take down a dynasty."
If that isn't dripping with condescension, I don't know what is. Even if, the above prouncement aside, Scott e007 doesn't make "pronouncements about other franchises," he should know better than to to assert that the rest of his brethren don't. Just ask Red Sox and Mets fans.
Please, Scott e007, get used to the fact that the Yankees are currently anything but dynasty material, and stop posting about blogs that aren't condescending to your team. It just makes you seem . . . well, condescending.
The situation was corrected after one pitch? This was corrected swiftly and before it could have possibly had any effect on the game, so why replay it? I don't see anyway MLB overturns the result of a game based upon an error which was immediately remedied and did not effect the outcome at all.
Though, how is it exactly that the National League team screws up the double switch? I can somewhat understand why the Yankees might have done it (yet still should be appropriately scorned), but there's no reason why the Marlins should have made this mistake.
The Yankees contend that Nunez, who was part of the double switch, should have also been removed from the game as part of the penalty. He continued to pitch even after the umpires forced the change in the OF when the infraction was brought to their attention by Girardi. So, according to the protest, the situation was not corrected after one pitch.
but yes, it is of low value even if the protest is approved (which it will not be.) Girardi joked after the game that he'd like to win the protest but also keep the 2 runs NY got in the 9th.
I believe that technical violations like this, that clearly have no effect on the outcome of the game , would be best dealt with by fining the team since there should be some punishment for breaking the rules. Nullifying the result of the game seems ridiculous in this case.
I've umpired a little bit at low levels and actually went through the MLB rulebook line for line at one point in my largely mis-spent youth. I just reviewed it again (it's online at mlb.com), and the rule that comes closest to being on point is probably rule 4.03, which states:
When the ball is put in play at the start of, or during a game, all fielders other than the catcher shall be on fair territory.
However, that rule doesn't specify a penalty for a violation. There may be other guidance that MLB provides for such cases, but absent that, I think the umpire's ruling will stand. Essentially, the substituted player is out of the game, the substitute is out of the game, a new player is on the field, and that's about it. I don't think there's any precedence for the idea that Nunez should be out of the game too, although I don't blame Girardi for trying.
FWIW, if the game is unfinished, I believe it has to be finished whether or not it matters. I don't believe the teams will (or should) have anything to say about it.
The chances of the Yankees coming back from being down in the 8th aren't that good??? Really??? Have you looked at their lineup? At the end of May, when they played the Phils, the Yanks and Phils were 1 and 2 among comeback wins in all MLB--I'm not sure who currently is atop that list.
OK--they aren't playing very well lately, but isn't that an argument for finishing the game on a later date, when maybe the bats come alive?
Seriously--ask the players. "Would you rather just suck up the loss, or have to fly to FLA on an off day and get a second chance to win?" I think I know what they would say.
The players have an arduous schedule and spend much of the second half of the season, bumped, bruised, tired, and looking forward to the occasional day off. While I'm sure they'd play the game if it meant the playoffs or not, if it didn't make any difference in the standings, I bet they'd all rather have the offday, even if they wouldn't admit it to a reporter.
Also, when I say the chances of coming back aren't good, I don't mean that the Yankees have a worse chance than anyone else. I mean that, statistically speaking, if you look at the results of games where one team is trailing by three runs in the eighth inning, the number of instnaces in which the trailing team comes from behind and wins is probably very, very low. So yes, the chances of them coming back in terms of probability are exceedingly low.
Maybe so, but I believe the Yankees have the best record in the majors for come from behind wins in the later innings. I can't remember the exact stat at the moment... but I believe I'm right, and if so, it skews your "probability" argument.
His time would be better spent conducting a blanket party for arod.
Does any one remember the "Pine Tar" incident between the Yankees and the K.C.Royals??????
Yeah,,,,,,,,, is their a POINT TO THIS ???
Actually... YES THERE IS A POINT!!!!
After George Brett was called out for having the pine tar too far up his bat, and his home run taken away, the Yankees won it 4 - 3.... The Royals protested the game, and their protest was upheld... the rules only provided for removal of the bat from the game, and not calling the batter out... The game was continued later that season, starting after Brett's homer. The Yankees went scoreless in the bottom of the ninth inning to lose the game.
The POINT is a protested game, finished at a later date, DID change the outcome of the game.
LETS GO YANKEES!!!
I COULD CARE LESS, that was in the 80's, like DISCO..........
Yeah somehow it doesn't surprise me that someone like you would fail to learn from the past.
Point is, the challenge was valid but the infraction itself could not have had an effect on the game, I don't think there would be a need to replay from the point of the mistake but if that's what they decide then fine, it's out of your hands, my hands, and, most importantly, Girardi and Gonzales' hands.
I agree that the game if need be should be finished after the end of the season. with that said the rule was broken and the Yankees should be given the right to replay the 8th and 9th innings. Is the end worth the means, that im not sure of, but like stated earlier if one game seperates them from the playoffs they should have that right.
I hate the Yanks, but they got hosed on this one.
Quit yer whinin' NYY!
Who's whining? Any manager with a decent coaching staff that is observant enough to catch that mistake HAS TO do what Girardi did... otherwise they'd say he isn't doing his job. If it was Francona and the Red Sox, you think for a second he would've let it slide?
Gotta agree with V, regardless of if it will have a change on the game he has to make the complaint, that's part of the game. If it was any other team they would do the same. Having said that, I don't see how it will change the outcome, it was a minor difference.
By the end of the season, it won't matter. The Yankees will be much more than 1 game out of contention.
a) You don't no what you're talking about, unless you are claiming to have psychic powers in which case you should post less stupid comments, and go play the lottery.
b) Even if they are not in first place at the end of the season, one game could easily decide the wild card team.
c) All you people who feel the need to say how you hate the yankees, please identify what team (if any) you do support... So we can get a better idea of what YOU think is a good team...
Hey V-
Don't you have anything better to do? Yes, I hate the Yankees with all my heart. I like the Twins & Rangers. I sometimes wish we had YES pumping money to my teams so we could buy championships.
you do. It's called "revenue sharing". The Yankees are already paying part of your team's salaries.
Good point chattanooga....
And Ray... give it up. You haters were saying the Yankees buy championships long before there even was a YES network. Truth is the owners of the Rangers and Twins and most other teams would rather pocket their profits than dump it back into their teams, so blame them not the Yankees.
And for you to say you hate them with all your heart, and then ask ME don't I have anything better to do??? Lose the hate Ray.
Ray, tell your owner to stop putting Yankee/Met money in his pocket and put it back into his team, u want a salary cap, good, I want a minimum cap to, I'm tired of wealthy owners crying about yankees/mets taking their players, how about the draft picks u get for your free agent signing with a real team, not a minor league team pretending to be a major league team. Man up Ray........
Why do you think we built 2 new stadiums, to keep more of our money!!!
Girardi made a mistake protesting so soon - he should have waited to see if Coghlan was involved in a play that affected the game. He would then have a better chance of winning the protest. Bring back Torre.
Why would Girardi wait until after the first pitch? Why not just say something before the inning gets underway to avoid this situation all together?
This doesn't apply specifically, but rule 3.05(c) states:
"If an improper substitution is made for the pitcher, the umpire shall direct the proper pitcher to return to the game until the provisions of this rule are fulfilled. If the improper pitcher is permitted to pitch, any play that results is legal. The improper pitcher becomes the proper pitcher as soon as he makes his first pitch to the batter, or as soon as any runner is put out."
So, if the Yankees are contending that the pitcher was subsituted improperly and shouldn't have been pitching, while that may be true, it seems once a pitch is delivered, he becomes the proper pitcher. But then, how could you improperly subsitute a pitcher with actually having him throw a pitch, thus negating this rule?!?!
"Rule 3.05(c) Comment: If a manager attempts to remove a pitcher in violation of Rule 3.05 (c) the umpire shall notify the manager of the offending club that it cannot be done. If, by chance, the umpire-in-chief has, through oversight, announced the incoming improper pitcher, he should still correct the situation before the improper pitcher pitches. Once the improper pitcher delivers a pitch he becomes the proper pitcher."
Freaking weird!!!!!!!
Waaah, waaah, NYers whining again
You're a typical hater... The Yankees don't whine. When they aren't playing well they are the first ones to say so. They play with class and pride (with the exception of A-Rod).
So what team do you support there Bobby?
Robert, where are you from Montana ???
BIG buildings SCARE YOU ????
GO PLAY JUMP ROPE WITH THE OTHER GIRLS
Yes, the rule was broken. Yes, it was immediately corrected. I do NOT think they should wait until the end of the season "so both teams can decide in the end if it is really worth it". Decide now whether to play it or not. If a manager is going to protest a game on something like this then he needs to man up and play the game. You don't "choose to play it or not" depending on whether it suits your needs. Otherwise it was rediculous to protest it in the first place.
How about this . . . if you want to win, play better and don't be in those ticky tack situations in the first place !
By the way, see that walk off HR by Nick Green ! Go Red Sox !
I agree that there's no point to waiting till the end of the season. Play it as soon as it can be scheduled.
Whoop-de-doo... Melky Cabrera has 3 of those already this season... I lost count of how many the Yanks have total... but it's a lot.
GO YANKS!
The Yankees are a bunch of crybabies who were down by three runs and had to make a stink about a simple mistake. The end result was the same, they lost. Bet a million bucks if they had beaten the Marlins yesterday after their closer almost blew it, there would be no protest on the part of the Yankees. Red Sox Rule!!!!
OK genius... So you're saying that if the Red Sox were in the same situation, You would not expect Francona to do the exact same thing Girardi did? OF COURSE HE WOULD!!! He would get ridiculed for NOT doing it.
Yeah, but just think. They came within one last night, so why can't they do it again, on a day where they're fully refreshed and swinging the bats better? :P
Also, I love the Red Sox fans that call the Yankees whiners. Youk is the first one to over react to any pitch inside, but no one ever complains about him being a cry baby.
HA! Seriously...
Youk is a GREAT player... but throw anything on the inside half of the plate and he's like a screaming old lady.